tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post3456214550549378084..comments2023-10-15T10:39:20.908-04:00Comments on One Frum Skeptic: The KGB vs. the yeshivish community part Ifrumskeptichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-18895949796410755972008-08-07T09:23:00.000-04:002008-08-07T09:23:00.000-04:00fs- I thought the same way you did, but was supris...fs- I thought the same way you did, but was suprised to find out that NYC isn't the only city in america! I live in a pretty big city (2 million people), and there is tons of stuff to do, and we also have very cheap public transit ($1.45 to take the bus or train).Abandoning Edenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12696116071749613265noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-27317883271197371472008-08-04T02:01:00.000-04:002008-08-04T02:01:00.000-04:00"When I said Ohio, they looked at me like I'm nuts..."When I said Ohio, they looked at me like I'm nuts and then asked where I would eat"<BR/><BR/>Heh. At least they didn't "correct" you and say (in a snooty tone) "It's pronounced Iowa" <BR/><BR/>Ichabod ChrainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-31261428011644496152008-08-03T09:44:00.000-04:002008-08-03T09:44:00.000-04:00fs - "I can live a nice peaceful life without havi...fs - "I can live a nice peaceful life without having to be bothered by people." Doesn't seem like you're living a peaceful life with a lack of bothersome people based on your posts.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844742305066932775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-8465684467022351002008-08-01T17:34:00.000-04:002008-08-01T17:34:00.000-04:00I don't think she knew she could get kicked it. It...I don't think she knew she could get kicked it. Its not worth it. <BR/><BR/>I started acting out in HS when I already knew I was given permission to graduate early. 'Coure my acting out wasn't making out with guys. but still.<BR/><BR/>ANyway. violating shomer, as "bad" as that may be by some authorites is not reason to kick your student out. She wasn't making out in uniform.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-25348819657176528132008-08-01T17:30:00.000-04:002008-08-01T17:30:00.000-04:00So if she knew the school would kick her out for i...So if she knew the school would kick her out for it then she wouldn't do it in a public place either. She knew it was "worthy" of being kicked out material. That shows she thinks the school has a problem with it. <BR/><BR/>I mean its not like she was caught wearing socks instead of tights, if it was something like that then I'd say the school is being ridiculous and all. But here its something bigger. It's going against being shomer, which is something important.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-19264558022698861312008-08-01T17:29:00.000-04:002008-08-01T17:29:00.000-04:00Yeshivish community spies ;-)<A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Es1nPWzJ-0" REL="nofollow">Yeshivish community spies ;-)</A>Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-13559169355656405432008-08-01T17:22:00.000-04:002008-08-01T17:22:00.000-04:00what moshe said.IF she thought she was doing somet...what moshe said.<BR/><BR/>IF she thought she was doing something wrong, she wouldn't be dumb enough to do it in public. She'd get a room.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-50255131806505691402008-08-01T17:10:00.000-04:002008-08-01T17:10:00.000-04:00No, she feared being spied on because she was afra...No, she feared being spied on because she was afraid of getting kicked out.Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-50894189380208820752008-08-01T17:02:00.000-04:002008-08-01T17:02:00.000-04:00Right so I was saying the KGB's spying isn't a goo...Right so I was saying the KGB's spying isn't a good thing.<BR/><BR/>Well if she felt what she was doing was right then she wouldn't fear being spied on. The reason she didn't like being spied on was because she knew she was doing something "wrong". She still valued the school's opinion if she didn't want the spies reporting it to the school.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-6312471758158516892008-08-01T16:58:00.000-04:002008-08-01T16:58:00.000-04:00Babysitter: When people are spying to defend thei...Babysitter: When people are spying to defend their country from terrorists and other dangers, thats one thing, but when the KGB had spies for the stupidest things, and made people live in fear, thats totally another. You cannot compare the spying between the US and the KGB. The KGB didn't allow people to have religion, listen to certain raadio stations, talk about money and other crazy things. There was absolutely NO justification for over half the spying.<BR/><BR/>Similarly, spying on your students is not justified. If they're not in uniform they're not giving your school a bad name. Its wrong. That girl had every right to have a BF and kiss him or w/e as long as she didn't have her schools logo all over. and theres no justifying random spying either. Its ridiculous that girls fear going out on certain avenues AFTER school hours. Its absolutly insane.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-51767584902440621742008-08-01T16:54:00.000-04:002008-08-01T16:54:00.000-04:00"Why would you be "sending" your kids anywhere to ..."Why would you be "sending" your kids anywhere to date? They'll grow up and make their own dating choices. Only the yeshivish community and it's appendages think about "sending" their kids to date. The kids may very likely go to NY or other big cities to date, but if they have to be sent, like they're children with playdates, then they're not ready."<BR/><BR/>Obviously i literally wouldn't be sending them. BUt I was raised by russian people. My grandma's dowry was that she lived in Moscow. It was known that people outside of major cities married people from cities. Its just how it was done. There were more people as well as more opportunities in cities. This is specifically one of those things that wasn't ingrained in me by frummies, rather my psycho family.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-65310776773967608792008-08-01T16:52:00.000-04:002008-08-01T16:52:00.000-04:00DYS and Jessica: I'm very glad that out of town wo...DYS and Jessica: I'm very glad that out of town works out for you. I AM a city girl. I've been in Boston (I have relatives there), and Boston is a major city, I was bored out of my mind. There were very few 24 hour stores, the amount of kosher restuarants were few (ONE block) and the prices were ridiculous.<BR/><BR/>I'm a city person. I've been on vacation in the country. Upstate, in super touristy areas for entire summers. There was nothing to do after 9. <BR/><BR/>I was born and raised in the city, thats just how i am. I like the city. Nice people scare me. I feel like they all have agenda's. I like hte fact that I have no idea who lives on my block, I like the anonymity. It makes me happy. I can live a nice peaceful life without having to be bothered by people. <BR/><BR/>I know it sounds mean, but its how I am. Its not a solution for me to move out of here. I'd have a nervous breakdown. I like the rush here. I like the impatient people. I like that when I meet people I konw at a supermarket they're in a rush and I don't have to discuss my entire life story with them. I have freidns who hate the city, and I'd support them if they choose to leave, But its just not the place for me to leave it.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-32347678850426484912008-08-01T12:50:00.000-04:002008-08-01T12:50:00.000-04:00Frum Skeptic: There's a difference though. I'm not...Frum Skeptic: There's a difference though. I'm not going to judge anyone, only the actions. What the girls from your HS did was so to speak "wrong" for your school. By the KGB, the KGB were the ones doing the wrong thing by killing and stuff. <BR/>The U.S. has spies too, spies are important to give over information that can help protect you. It's for your benefit.<BR/>Here the school wants to make sure the girls are all the way the school feels is right, what they stand for, and they don't want other girls getting corrupted from the "unfitting" girls. <BR/>It's not like the school is going to take those pictures and put them in magazines and shame the people because of it, hopefully the school with shred the pictures afterwords.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-8663561579329859602008-08-01T10:20:00.000-04:002008-08-01T10:20:00.000-04:00fs - As for the dating thing, while there are many...fs - As for the dating thing, while there are many people who go to NY to date, none of my non-NY friends are married to New Yorkers. None of them even met their husbands in NY. I understand it's not easy to just pack up and leave, but haven't you ever heard the saying that the best things in life don't come easily? You'd be surprised going to a different town (and I don't mean some place in NJ). I'm from the midwest, people are a lot nicer here. The adjustment is made a lot easier when you have people helping you out. And here, strangers actually offer to help people out. Also, have you ever been out of NY for more than a week? You can't really predict how something will be until you've tried it.Jessicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01844742305066932775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-23979072371011323172008-08-01T09:54:00.000-04:002008-08-01T09:54:00.000-04:00Actually, the local Kroger supermarket here in Col...Actually, the local Kroger supermarket here in Columbus has a pretty big kosher section and there's a kosher meat counter under the vaad ho'ir. The price of meat isn't too bad - I would say only a tiny bit more expensive than in NY and more than offset by the massively lower costs of living in all other respects.David Staumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04092344925121412070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-74331802754557866742008-08-01T09:52:00.000-04:002008-08-01T09:52:00.000-04:00What would be the point of escaping NY and then Id...<I>What would be the point of escaping NY and then Id have to send my kids away to date here. Let them atleast know what they're getting themselves into.</I><BR/><BR/>Modern Orthodoxy in Brooklyn is just a slightly more liberal appendage of the yeshivish community there, not its own thing. Case in point, your statement above. This is the way the "modern" community in Brooklyn has trained you to think. Why would you be "sending" your kids anywhere to date? They'll grow up and make their own dating choices. Only the yeshivish community and it's appendages think about "sending" their kids to date. The kids may very likely go to NY or other big cities to date, but if they have to be sent, like they're children with playdates, then they're not ready.David Staumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04092344925121412070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-780351615682208562008-08-01T09:49:00.000-04:002008-08-01T09:49:00.000-04:00Well...if you look on the map, everywhere outside ...Well...if you look on the map, everywhere outside tristate it says "here there be dragons"<BR/>honest<BR/><BR/>How much is meat and chicken in Ohio?Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-90994150836078390802008-08-01T09:45:00.000-04:002008-08-01T09:45:00.000-04:00When I told people I was moving out of NY, they sa...When I told people I was moving out of NY, they said "Oh, you mean to Teaneck?" When I said Ohio, they looked at me like I'm nuts and then asked where I would eat. Duh, my kitchen. Best kosher food in town. Actually we do have a bagel place. And there's a rumor we might be getting a falafel & shwarma place soon! But people in NY still think we live on a farm. We have 3 shuls, a mikvah & an eruv, but many NY-ers can't imagine that any of that exists outside NY and a few other very big cities.David Staumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04092344925121412070noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-17212287597219067252008-07-31T23:06:00.000-04:002008-07-31T23:06:00.000-04:00Ophir: Glad to know you like the posts. :)Thank y...Ophir: Glad to know you like the posts. :)<BR/><BR/>Thank you for reading :-)frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-45679209158640617382008-07-31T23:03:00.000-04:002008-07-31T23:03:00.000-04:00Frum Skeptic- Just making sure. Then it is a good ...Frum Skeptic- Just making sure. Then it is a good thing you are blogging. I really enjoy them. I actually look forward to a new one every night and the comments that come afterward. Gives me something interesting to read at work. lolSkeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06079686750456458714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-87161973829396447492008-07-31T22:58:00.000-04:002008-07-31T22:58:00.000-04:00Ophir: I'm not really angry. I have my moments. U...Ophir: I'm not really angry. I have my moments. Usually I just blog about it and feel better.<BR/><BR/>My mom said since the blog I calmed down. So it works. But I need to be angry on some of hte posts, because that anger is coming out of me, into the post.<BR/><BR/>I'm not an angry person. Impatient, yes. Angry, not really.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-36687267577667899712008-07-31T22:55:00.000-04:002008-07-31T22:55:00.000-04:00Frum Skeptic- I know the word seminary sounds scar...Frum Skeptic- I know the word seminary sounds scary but two things. One- if you are a madricha you aren't boxed in. Two- do u know any girls that went to a MO seminary in Israel? Are any of them "crazy" in your terms? <BR/>It just seems you have a lot of anger towards the yeshivish world. You got to let that anger go, because otherwise it will only hurt you. I understand it may be justified, but it does not accomplish anything. I agree with you on many points but (it just seems like) there is just so much anger behind it. I was just trying to help. I mean this in the most sincere way.Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06079686750456458714noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-6606905536011108502008-07-31T22:45:00.000-04:002008-07-31T22:45:00.000-04:00ophir: I'm part of the MO community here. I live ...ophir: I'm part of the MO community here. I live in a decent neighborhood (not to many frummies, B"H). Just that the frummies rule. <BR/><BR/>Also, i don't join frum things. I'm not gonna be a madrecha or go to seminary or do anything of the sort. NO more institutionalized frum places for me. I got the heck out of HS ASAP for a reason, and it wasn't so i could return to a seminary.<BR/><BR/>lol...i'm gonna get nightmares thinking about seminary now... lolfrumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-24096294901646467162008-07-31T22:39:00.000-04:002008-07-31T22:39:00.000-04:00Jessica: In the former soviet union you had the ch...Jessica: In the former soviet union you had the choice to live the cities (the places the KGB actually spied the most) people didn't do it. It was rather inconvenient to do so. If you wanted opportunity you stayed behind in Moscow, St. Petersburg, Kiev and hid your life from the government. Or else you were stuck in even crappier conditions than you began in.<BR/><BR/>I'm spoiled. I like the opportunity of having a million things to do with maybe an hour or two of travel at most, for $4.<BR/><BR/>Its technically a choice, but I'd literally need to completely change my lifestyle, something I'm not willing to do. Especially since at teh end of the day all those small towns outside of NY end up sending their singles to date here. What would be the point of escaping NY and then Id have to send my kids away to date here. Let them atleast know what they're getting themselves into.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-89844048924504763052008-07-31T22:36:00.000-04:002008-07-31T22:36:00.000-04:00Moshe- "After that last comment, FS is the one you...Moshe- "After that last comment, FS is the one you should be worried about. ;-)" What are you talking about? What comment and why should i be worried about FS?Skeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06079686750456458714noreply@blogger.com