tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post412095263571785092..comments2023-10-15T10:39:20.908-04:00Comments on One Frum Skeptic: Raffle Ticketfrumskeptichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-53470436656683002032010-02-25T21:15:39.088-05:002010-02-25T21:15:39.088-05:00100% wrong doing by her friend
I concur with you ...100% wrong doing by her friend<br /><br />I concur with you wholeheartedly!<br /><br />Just me :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-67532524639687675622009-09-01T23:01:56.929-04:002009-09-01T23:01:56.929-04:00David- you are very correct.David- you are very correct.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-9858384166451307142009-09-01T17:10:40.030-04:002009-09-01T17:10:40.030-04:00It's not theft. Technically, it's fraud.It's not theft. Technically, it's fraud.Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15752938979399977997noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-91858878734857955332009-08-26T02:03:34.638-04:002009-08-26T02:03:34.638-04:00anon, shocked and wolf - I cant fathom how its &qu...anon, shocked and wolf - I cant fathom how its "clear" that the people knew they were donating to this woman. I certainly didn't get that it was clear.<br /><br />When I heard the story from my mother there was absolutely no implication of the people KNOWING they were buying the raffle tickets. So unless the story was just mistold, the Rabbi *was* infact praising a woman who played Robin Hood.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-86246287594262098392009-08-25T19:40:22.623-04:002009-08-25T19:40:22.623-04:00Until someone posts this story verbatim, I'm w...Until someone posts this story verbatim, I'm with tesya and fs.Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-53209623941536945902009-08-21T06:58:47.776-04:002009-08-21T06:58:47.776-04:00The story could be misinterpreted, but when I init...The story could be misinterpreted, but when I initially read it, I interpreted it the same way FS did. Hopefully, that's not the way he meant it, but who knows?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-44598939353755054842009-08-20T13:21:32.590-04:002009-08-20T13:21:32.590-04:00My thinking is along the lines of the other two --...My thinking is along the lines of the other two -- it was simply called a "raffle" so as to not embarrass the recipient. This way the recipient would think she won the money -- but the other people were probably just told that it was actually a charitable donation.<br /><br />The WolfBrooklynWolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03994285019137108636noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-9426153767707585582009-08-20T08:28:08.929-04:002009-08-20T08:28:08.929-04:00I have heard the original story, but I'm not s...I have heard the original story, but I'm not sure which of the following two versions were 'accurate' (Accurate used loosely here because stories from rabbis aren't known for their veracity. At least not by the skeptics out there.), but I'll say them anyway. 1) The woman selling the raffle tickets sponsored the entire thing herself, and 'sold' one raffle ticket to the poor woman or 2) As Anonymous said, those who did donate (buy 'raffle tickets', knew what the money was going for.<br /><br />I don't think anyone could believe that the story could have taken place any other way. No real rabbi (After the recent events, how we define a 'real rabbi' is debatable, but for argument's sake let's assume that not every rabbi is a crook. Personally, I have no idea who is guilty and who isn't based on the information given to us by the media, but that's just me.) would condone stealing from dozens of people or even to one person, in order to give someone else tzedakah. It's a mitzva haba'ah al yidei aveirah. They don't work very well, and G-d doesn't like them very much, or so it would seem from the halachos anyway. <br /><br />The truth is, as I reread the story, your own words said what happened. 'She collected a lot of money.' She collected it, then made the raffle. <br /><br />Unless I'm missing your point... You appear to be upset over a 'theft,' then it's the 'raffle.' But I'm not 100% sure. Did I address the issue you were having or did I miss the point completely?%Shocked%https://www.blogger.com/profile/08017279590797608442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-15050988351728506272009-08-20T08:08:35.603-04:002009-08-20T08:08:35.603-04:00Though I have no specific knowledge of the origina...Though I have no specific knowledge of the original story, or even if that story was true or apochryphal, it seems clear that the point was that the people buying the raffle tickets knew that they were secretely donating to this woman.<br /><br />They weren't selling raffle tickets to strangers thinking they were buying actual raffle tickets.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com