tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post5153537131000476437..comments2023-10-15T10:39:20.908-04:00Comments on One Frum Skeptic: Parenting and the TVfrumskeptichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-81998274209682790012008-08-25T09:12:00.000-04:002008-08-25T09:12:00.000-04:00Mlevin: I don't know if they give you a choice as ...Mlevin: I don't know if they give you a choice as to what TV moderating you want. It's just yes or no. But so long as the person has the same mindset as me, and we understand things the same way, then this issue of TV should work itself out.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-65524816378453012332008-08-24T23:22:00.000-04:002008-08-24T23:22:00.000-04:00Babysitter - I suggest you change your requirement...Babysitter - I suggest you change your requirement from no TV to smart and moderate TV watching.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-34450991789782907432008-08-23T23:14:00.000-04:002008-08-23T23:14:00.000-04:00~Lady E~ ok to each their own, from the way you de...~Lady E~ ok to each their own, from the way you describe it, I can picture someone being mesmerized by books.<BR/><BR/>I didn't think it would be equated to TV though. <BR/><BR/>That means I have to rethink what I'm looking for. Till now I though no TV/no going out to movies, possibly watching movies at home, and although there's no shidduch q about books, I always thought that I would let library books, I like reading them, think their much better than Jewish books, but perhaps since it equals TV, then I can't have them if I say no TV?Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-44484751589481003082008-08-23T23:06:00.000-04:002008-08-23T23:06:00.000-04:00"I don't remember ever hearing of a kid playing ho..."I don't remember ever hearing of a kid playing hookey because of a book."<BR/><BR/>1)I've heard of millions. All those kids waiting in line for harry potter the day it comes out.<BR/>2)Also tonz of kids read during class when theyre bored.<BR/><BR/>"mesmerizing way"<BR/>As is the world of books :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-75143745238610499522008-08-23T22:56:00.000-04:002008-08-23T22:56:00.000-04:00I never thought of the space issue before. Your so...I never thought of the space issue before. Your so funny!<BR/><BR/>But those are 2 things I agree with! Yay! <BR/><BR/>:-)Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-31218493342093607752008-08-23T22:53:00.000-04:002008-08-23T22:53:00.000-04:00I wouldn't choose TV for a few reasons,1) Its to ...I wouldn't choose TV for a few reasons,<BR/><BR/>1) Its to tempting as a parent (and as a babysitter I've experienced this) to NOT use the TV when its there. And too much TV can, undoubtedly be bad for the kid, especially if as a parent I use it as a babysitter.<BR/><BR/>2) TV takes up alot of room (and in NY space is expensive), I can just have the internet, which is not even a question, and watch every show I want to watch online.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-26224045968630653692008-08-23T22:42:00.000-04:002008-08-23T22:42:00.000-04:00FrumSkeptic: the thing is, all my life I've seen T...FrumSkeptic: the thing is, all my life I've seen TV in that way, negative. That its hard for me to see it in a neutral way and then judge. When I found out people can choose if they want a TV or not, as one of the Q's they ask when deciding a shidduch, I was surprised, I thought you weren't given a choice, and it confused me. I didn't understand that why if something is wrong, people would have the choice to choose it. So now thinking back at that, perhaps that shows that its not wrong, since your allowed to choose it. So your right, its not automatically a bad thing.<BR/><BR/>Now looking at it from a neutral way, why wouldn't you want a TV in your house? should you decide that you don't want one. What would be your reasons?Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-20665493005462462862008-08-23T22:35:00.000-04:002008-08-23T22:35:00.000-04:00Babysitter: No one is saying life is necessarily ...Babysitter: No one is saying life is necessarily dull without TV. You can have a fascinating life without it, just like you can have a boring life with it.<BR/><BR/>The point here is, tv is not bad. In the future when I'll be deciding whether or not I will want a TV in the house I'll be thinking about it using TV as a neutral object, wheras you seem to be automatically assuming it is wrong, and you ignore all the positives.<BR/><BR/>When I get depressed I usually get away from the TV and read a book. This way I completely space out into a totally different world. With the TV there are other distractions- other shows, commercials. Its not the same. But thats jsut me. And I don't think that people should have TV's because when they watch it it means they're in a good mood. <BR/><BR/>Books can be damaging. 100 pages for a kid can last just as long as 500 pages for us.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-7043130783789825922008-08-23T22:06:00.000-04:002008-08-23T22:06:00.000-04:00Moshe: ok, but that's when your older. Children ar...Moshe: ok, but that's when your older. Children aren't like that. Children read books that are at most 100 pages long, how long can that last? While TV every half hour is a new show, and now with cable they have so much more to watch.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-45249502353103891342008-08-23T22:03:00.000-04:002008-08-23T22:03:00.000-04:00Books are a lot more addictive than TV. I have ne...Books are a lot more addictive than TV. I have never had much of an interest to watch something until 4 or 5AM even if it was the last episode. When it comes to books, many, many late nights and all nighters. Read Terry Pratchett and you'll know what I'm talking about.Ookamikunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01145237927656807738noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-42444541705223018222008-08-23T21:59:00.000-04:002008-08-23T21:59:00.000-04:00~lady e~ I would like to agree with you. I just do...~lady e~ I would like to agree with you. I just don't think its so simple.<BR/><BR/>Here's one, TV can get addicting and it can prevent children from doing things their supposed to.<BR/><BR/>I know a kid who used to play hookey so that he can watch TV. I don't remember ever hearing of a kid playing hookey because of a book. <BR/><BR/>It's not only the content on TV, its the way its given over, its a mesmerizing way. <BR/><BR/>Why is it that when someone is depressed they want to lazy around in their PJ's and watch TV, while if their in a good up beat mood they want to go out of the house and do something. It's because TV is a passive state of being, where your watching other people do things instead of enjoying it your self.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-40323789982948596442008-08-23T21:52:00.000-04:002008-08-23T21:52:00.000-04:00Babysitter: So there you go, same with the tv and ...Babysitter: So there you go, same with the tv and parenting. The same parents that forbid tv should therefore forbid books.<BR/><BR/>Or if theyre the parents that restrict books than they should allow tv with restrictions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-65647021198196201372008-08-23T21:48:00.000-04:002008-08-23T21:48:00.000-04:00~lady e~ your right, so that's where good parentin...~lady e~ your right, so that's where good parenting comes in, goes with my idea of <A HREF="http://thebabysitterwrites.blogspot.com/2008/07/dont-hide-it-show-it.html" REL="nofollow"> Don't Hide it Show It </A>Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-67052781442835952182008-08-23T21:44:00.001-04:002008-08-23T21:44:00.001-04:00babysitter: Just because the kid cant take the adu...babysitter: Just because the kid cant take the adult book out of the library doesnt mean he cant sit on one of the comfy couches in the library and read it there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-87883469163319021452008-08-23T21:44:00.000-04:002008-08-23T21:44:00.000-04:00FrumSkeptic: That's true. But hear this, there's t...FrumSkeptic: That's true. <BR/>But hear this, there's this really funny lady on my block, she's a court reporter for some judges and she meets all these interesting characters, so she was talking about it, and it was all so funny, so my mother recommended that she go on a TV show or something, cause she's just hysterical and everyone would love her. So then she says: "Wanna know a way to get my husband to leave me? Get a TV, How much more so if I'm on it" Now she was saying it in a joking mannor, she didn't mean it in a yeshivish way, but it was funny. <BR/><BR/>Here's an example of how crazy/funny she is, she was showing one of the blacks that she works with, her arm, showing how tanned she got, and she said to the black man, "No matter how tanned I get, I can never be ask dark as you" So then he says back to her "Yea, I'm all natural". <BR/><BR/>Anyways, people can have very entertaining lives without TV.<BR/><BR/>Yea, good thing it wasn't spam. Everyone else seemed to have been getting this spam stuff as comments lately.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-6671550884869340292008-08-23T21:27:00.000-04:002008-08-23T21:27:00.000-04:00and about the emails...yea. when I came home befor...and about the emails...yea. when I came home before shabbos I was in total shock. lol.<BR/><BR/>Was glad it wasn't spam tho. :-)frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-57059330892627149322008-08-23T21:26:00.000-04:002008-08-23T21:26:00.000-04:00Babysitter: My friends gotta get the words from s...Babysitter: My friends gotta get the words from somewhere for me to get them.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-35371649608443449842008-08-22T17:38:00.000-04:002008-08-22T17:38:00.000-04:00FrumSkeptic: ok great, if you get the same thing f...FrumSkeptic: ok great, if you get the same thing from being around friends/acquaintances, then there's no need to get it from the TV. :-)<BR/><BR/>btw, I can imagine when you checked your inbox today, you must of had over 100 e-mails.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-23596754012985818782008-08-22T17:35:00.000-04:002008-08-22T17:35:00.000-04:00Babysitter: books are the same. WHen I read books...Babysitter: books are the same. WHen I read books about HS students they also use big words, but when you're reading a book you're more passive about it, because you don't hear the word and therefore not responding to it.<BR/><BR/>You ever start using words that your friends used?<BR/><BR/>Just the other day a friend of mine was telling me how her day went and then she goes "now I feel so bleh"<BR/><BR/>and I've been using the word "bleh" a milion times to describe everything for the past few months. So I immediately screamed "OMG! THATS MY WORD, YOU"RE BECOMMING LIKE ME!"<BR/><BR/>nothing special about "bleh" I know, but the point is, is that when you hear things you're more likely to concept it than passively skimming in small font.<BR/><BR/>I'm the same way. I generally find myself using words my friends use when I hang out or speak with them.<BR/><BR/>I never caught myself using words I've read on books as often or rather as quickly as the ones I've heard used by friends/acquaintances.frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-58698747569510950762008-08-22T17:27:00.000-04:002008-08-22T17:27:00.000-04:00FrumSkeptic: got it, so your saying the people on ...FrumSkeptic: got it, so your saying the people on TV would use vocabulary that doesn't suit their personalities of the TV characters their trying to portray. Shows how they mess around with TV and make it unlike reality.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-46710443618162291242008-08-22T17:24:00.000-04:002008-08-22T17:24:00.000-04:00I meant that the TV doesn't even talk about those ...I meant that the TV doesn't even talk about those people, yet the words those type of people use are on a higher level of vocabulary then those type of people would use in reallife<BR/><BR/>Did that make sense?frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-34951545944662247412008-08-22T17:22:00.000-04:002008-08-22T17:22:00.000-04:00"But I don't think that many TV shows use such hig..."But I don't think that many TV shows use such high vocabulary anyways"<BR/><BR/><BR/>Trust me on this. Half the time I watch shows about HS students I turn to my mom and go "Who speaks like that in HS?"<BR/><BR/>And my sister almost always says "English teachers and suck ups"<BR/><BR/>And over 90% of the time the shows are not about those type of people.<BR/><BR/>Vocabulary is something TV does havefrumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-50748509444760350262008-08-22T17:17:00.000-04:002008-08-22T17:17:00.000-04:00~Lady E~: Well that's how the libraries I know in ...~Lady E~: Well that's how the libraries I know in Brooklyn are. Children get a separate kind of library card. I think there's even 3 types. 1-Children. 2-Preteen. 3-Adult.<BR/><BR/>Ok, that may be true about building a better vocabulary, cause you can visualize the word. But I don't think that many TV shows use such high vocabulary anyways. <BR/><BR/>There's always radio to listen to, to pick up on the pronunciation of words, and understanding the context. Even on the radio, with news, and NPR and stuff like that, they would use a higher vocabulary than TV. <BR/><BR/>FrumSkeptic: The radio is different because there's no visualization, it doesn't attract the kids attention. <BR/><BR/>They say even in a mothers stomach the child gets affected by what the mother sees/listens to, so I don't see why it would be harder to understand by a 2 year old. Everything you see affects you, the 2 year old doesn't need so much of it to get affected. <BR/><BR/>Although under two, you wouldn't think of them to have too much socialization to begin with. But it makes sense. <BR/><BR/>Your 2 suggestions sound good to me.Jewish Side of Babysitterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15792110478994916775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-57150931520750768732008-08-22T17:12:00.000-04:002008-08-22T17:12:00.000-04:00Babysitter: I saw studies on how children under 2 ...Babysitter: I saw studies on how children under 2 should not watch TV because it hinders their socialization.<BR/><BR/>Don't know what to make of it. I think a kid has to watch alot of TV and have no interaction with parents until it actually affects him and his socialization skills.<BR/><BR/>In this case (say the study is true) do one of two things<BR/><BR/>a) don't allow your under-2 kid to watch TV<BR/><BR/>b) don't have the TV on for more than a few hours.<BR/><BR/><BR/>I still find it hard to imagine. What if the Radio was just on in the background, does that noise also hinder the childs active playing?frumskeptichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02990363895869876238noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3683171330083869803.post-84664860630571164182008-08-22T17:07:00.000-04:002008-08-22T17:07:00.000-04:00Babysitter:"A child could only take out certain ty...Babysitter:<BR/>"A child could only take out certain types of books."<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure what you're referring to. as far as i remember as a kid i could walk into any section i wanted. I always went to find books for my mom in the adult section.<BR/><BR/>"Books is just more educational."<BR/>how so? A study was made that showed that tv was a better vocab learning tool than books. Which makes sense, because you hear the word being used with the proper expression and you really understand the meaning of the word. When you read a new word in a book you usually overlook that there was a word there in the first place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com